Tell us about yourself!

I came up through engineering. About a decade ago I was the technical founder of a marketing technology business, and that's where I learned the most about what makes products actually work, not just the code, but everything around it. Since then I've worked across B2B and B2C in fintech, healthtech and salestech, which has given me a pretty broad view of what a good product looks like in different contexts. 

The move from engineering into product happened because I realised I didn't want to be knee-deep in the code day-to-day. I wanted to be solving business and customer problems at a more strategic level. That said, I'm not afraid to roll up my sleeves and get back into the code when it helps. Being able to do both is one of the more useful things you can bring to a PM role.

Outside of work I'm based in London and split my time between running, the gym, and being an unapologetic restaurant nerd. London is a pretty good city for all three.

What's your role at Legl?

I joined Legl as a Principal Product Manager and I work predominantly on our new bets. A lot of that is AI work, and because of the nature of new bets it tends to touch many different areas of the product rather than sitting in one neat lane.

In practice that means I spend my time working out which problems are worth solving next, what shape the solution should take, and then working closely with engineering and design to actually ship it. The fun part of a new bets role is that you get to work across the whole stack of problems (commercial, technical and customer) rather than just one slice of them.

In the time I've been here I've shipped a fair bit already: Proof of Address, Risk Assessments, Trust Deed analysis, and there's lots more in flight that I'm excited about.

What made you join Legl?

Honestly, it came down to ambition. Julia (Legl's Founder & CEO) sold me on the vision of where the company is heading and I wanted to help get it there. The pitch was concrete and the bar was high, which is exactly what you want from a founder.

The other thing that pulled me in was the problem space. The legal industry has some genuinely deep problems that haven't received much love from modern software, which makes them attractive to work on. There's real room to build things that materially change how the industry operates, and that's a rare combination: a big market, real customer pain, and the technology to actually do something about it.

What have been the most enjoyable aspects of your life at Legl?

Three things, really.

The pace. Things move and ship quickly here, which suits how I like to work.

The autonomy. I own real outcomes, not just outputs, which means I get to make the calls that matter and live with the consequences. That's exactly the kind of environment where you grow.

And working across the whole stack of problems. On any given week I might be talking to customers, sketching out a new bet, getting into the technical detail with engineers, or thinking through commercial trade-offs. It's varied, and the breadth keeps it interesting.

What advice would you give anyone looking to follow in your footsteps?

Own the outcome, stay curious, and don't be afraid to roll up your sleeves.

Owning the outcome means caring about whether the thing actually worked, not just whether you shipped it. It's the difference between PMs who write status updates and PMs who change the business.

Staying curious is the bit that compounds. Every new domain, customer call, or piece of code you read teaches you something that makes you better at the next problem. The PMs I admire most are relentlessly curious.

And rolling up your sleeves matters because the best way to understand a problem is to get close to it. Talk to customers directly. Read the code. Try to actually understand the system you're operating in rather than abstracting it all away. The shortcut is that there isn't one.